I have no faith in the election voting process at all.

A candidate basically has his hundreds of alliance mate votes, and their alts on top. Pretty much seals the candidates seat and we can say is pretty much rigged voting..

People in small corps/alliances even though they may have lots of eve experience, would never get voted because of this.. So thats why i guess a lot of ppl dont stand and ppl dont vote either...

I still think that CCP should be the people to effectively 'interview' candidates from all areas (null, low, empire, pvp, trade) and they choose who they think is the best person to be on the CSM. Thats pretty much the only way to ensure fairness.

What ISK faucets would that be, seeing as how all faucets are a available in all space?

what ISK faucets only the nullsec alliances have access to?

moon mining = no1 isk faucet

GǪexcept that moon mining isn't an ISK faucet and that the others are available in other sectors of space.
Wow. That really demonstrated in full detail what's wrong with what I just saidGǪ

GǪi.e. nothing. That's why they listen to me: because it's not crap and I actually have a clue what I'm talking about.
The reason you think it's crap is because you're clueless. In this case, you're clueless about what GÇ£ISK faucetsGÇ¥ are.

I know how the economy works, which is why I know you're hilariously wrong.
If you fixed your cranirectal syndrome and paid attention, you might accidentally learn something. I highly recommend it.

The human element does not change whether or not something is a faucet or sink, nor does it give nullsec access to any mysterious ISK faucets that are not available in all sections of space.

Ofc Tippia is right, but that is hardly post-worthy when the thing in question is so elementary and obvious.

So Eternum rephrased that to "there is more wealth in Null sec then anywhere else". Well, is there? High sec has practically unlimited production slots, and, to a good approximation, every item in game gets produced there. You would imagine the high sec industrialists are making quite good isk compared to the paltry numbers reached by production poses in null.

Now take the big alliances individually and lets assume they don't make crazy money off tech (because only a select few with supercapital dominance do). Main source of income are usually per-member fees paid by corps, which in turn get their isk from individual ratting taxes (a thing unheard of in > 0.4). In high sec, the only comparable entity large enough (excluding EVE UNI and RvB) is the incursion runner community and we all know the numbers that are flowing there. Even the mission runners make comparable isk to null if they are doing it right, and that is without taxes, upgrade costs etc. Life for an average alliance grunt could be quite harsh if you are living outside of Deklein. So, who has more wealth at their disposal?

Now take the big alliances individually and lets assume they don't make crazy money off tech (because only a select few with supercapital dominance do)

Looking at this last CSM, some representatives sure were vocal about ideas that would have a wide range of negative effects on nullsec, for instance.

stuff... Do we need to prove that water is wet?

citation still needed

moistened, covered, or soaked with water or some other liquid.

The bottom line is money. CSM/CCP. Who cares.

If you do not like it, cancel your subscription, If the greater part of the player base cancel accounts, they will listen.

Are the CSM a biased waste of time for most players? I think so. But this game is elitist to a maximum, let them have fun. Just remember it's your money CCP wants, so only look at what CCP does, not the CSMs.

For the first time since i started playing, CCP made a survey that i filled, i do not remember when, i think it was when i got on after a patch or something like that. If CCP really wants to know what the people want, they can do more of that.

I suppose it all comes down to how good you are at grammar, and your understanding of the differences between an adjective, a verb, and a noun.

but. also from the online dictionary:

wet: adjective

2. in a liquid form or state:

so, is water a liquid? or is it not?

1 full can of liquid.

Half of it is in contact with the other half thus making it all wet.

A red legion guy posting.

I can't even fix this post because I'm not sure what direction you were trying to take it in, given what you were trying to respond to...

Maybe you should just quit while you're... well.... very far behind?

I have yet to see a sign or other indication that it is my duty as a player to test my allies for evidence of botting.

Again, you're skipping my questions:
If you have seen specific evidence of botting:
1) Why have you not reported it?
2) What specific evidence do you have?*



N.B. * "Everyone knows X" is not specific evidence.

Open forum. Everyone can respond to the "arguments" anyone else makes.

That's the beauty of it.

Getting even less witty. Not even trying any more.

You searched isk sellers. Did you insted search "Isk Sellers who operate within the DRF"? Cause that's what you're arguing.

Just because you find a bunch of websites that advertise that they sell isk online does not mean that botting is rampant in DRF space, nor that DRF space is bottling central.

You searched isk sellers. Did you insted search "Isk Sellers who operate within the DRF"? Cause that's what you're arguing.

When you dealt with the brokers and customers, you must have stumbled into other isk sellers as well. What alliance have highest count of bots in them / rmt players?

I am 1 man but if a group of ppl with 5 bot each x 20, can pretty much after 1 month equip 50 ms, and steamroll entire eve. It is hard to say who rmt, and who use isk for supercaps, but for sure, the drone regions have the biggest % of botters in eve. Mainly in their renter outlets.

From single alliance, white noise-rol-stain empire-goonswarm have the highest %.

Took you a while to find that. Now you have some solid evidence that botting/RMT was going on 3 years ago. Your argument is that it is going on today (or within the last ~6 months since I moved there).

I need make no argument until you prove your case.

One should assume so, yes.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=687 + the others since then.

I like how you assume that the guy interviewed in the article is the ultimate truth on all things RMT in DRF land. The article has about the same level of trust from me as a Wikipedia article with only one source. Since that is what this guy is: One source, one opinion. If you can get, say, 50+ opinions or sources from clearly different people or parties, you can start making statistics.

Oh there you are...

You asked a question that cannot be possibly answered simply. You asked for a simple answer. "I don't know" is the closest approximation. Read above that, and you'll see what we like to call "context." Quoting somebody's statement's out of "context" is considered rude.

Main reason I'm here is because you annoyed me with an unprovoked ad hominem attack.

Great, you know where there are Bots in Empire. Fantastic. How is that evidence of bots in nullsec? There's a massive trade hub in empire where enemies trade with each other freely. Is that evidence that there is a massive trade hub in Null where enemies trade with each other freely?

Did you know that ice cream sales are positively correlated with violent crimes in the United States? Clearly purchasing ice cream inclines one to murder.

This praetorium fellow apparently is STILL butthurt over being proven wrong.

No-one is suggesting otherwise. What people are suggesting is that your inferences and assertions have levels of detail and certainty that is not supported by the data you're able to bring to the table.

GǪwhich don't support the level of detail you're claiming.

I don't navigate google, no GÇö I use it to search. This is something you obviously can't do. Otherwise, you wouldn't have such problems providing proof for your assertions (generously assuming, of course, that you're not just making **** up and are desperately trying to hide this fact).

No matter how many straw men you draw up; how much you try to move to goal posts; how many red herrings you try to throw our way, this simple fact hasn't changed: you are unable to produce the information needed to make your assertions. I don't have to search for anything because I'm not making the kinds of claims you are. The burden of proof is on you, and you utterly fail to fulfil this requirement.

Look, it's quite simple: all you have to do to win walk away without looking completely silly is to admit to the simple truth that.....

The floor. It is mopped with Eternal idiotorian.

Oh the stupidity!

GǪwhich you are unable to provide. Is there something wrong with your fingers?

This post makes you look intelligent. Never stop.

No, you have to prove that the internet has mountains and mountains of information referencing RMT and Bots in specific areas of EVE, belonging to specific groups, and that this is well-known by specific people. Oh, and it must be current or at least reasonably up-to-date.

One of the funnier things I find about these forums is that folks like you assume I'm any different in person. I'm not. I have just as prickly a personality when dealing with stupid people in real life as I do on these forums.

General claim about RMT in EvE? Check. General claim about Botting in EvE? Check. No Claim about a link between the two? Check..

Totally false.

No, the statement means that you're just one step away from no longer being hounded by us for making inferences that are not supported by the information you cite.

RMT and botting are commonplace in all MMO's, including EVE Online, and the information pertaining to these facts are readily available to all. The only way that you can prove that said information is readily available, is by going and performing a simple google search and seeing if it is fact true. That statement is all that is required of me. If I offer my own google searches it could be argued that I would be corrupting the experiment and altering the outcome, by not allowing the reader to search for their own version of "easy to access".

So I stumbled across a few eve exploit sites.

Side by side with all the mining bots, courier bots, mission bots, market bots, salvaging and looting bots,warp to zero autopilot hacks, scan probe hacks, d-scan hacks, local hacks, and fingerprint randomizers, were a whole lot of threads offering to sell hundreds of billions of isk for real money.

Go figure.

Yes? That doesn't offer any information that supports your detailed claims. It just support your far more general claim, which GÇö if you had actually paid any attention GÇö no-one is really questioning (in spite of you not providing much in the way of proof to support it).

Just to be clear, does this statement mean that you do not see a connection between bots and RMT? Because everyone that I have every spoken to sees a clear and obvious connection. Clarify?

This.

"All MMOS have botting, and there are RMT sites online, therefore DRF space is botting central, and has a rampant bot problem, and the residents of DRF all participate in RMT".

Idiot.

The only way to prove that something is truly easily and readily available to the public, is for the reader to go look for themselves, where I said the information was, and decide for themselves. I cannot provide links and assume that same stance and hold true to it's integrity.

Google.
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At that time, no evidence of such had been provided. That I, independent of this discussion, may have some knowledge that some RMT and some botting may be connected is irrelevant.

But yeah, I'll grant the following, cause I'm feeling generous.
EvE has some RMT activities. (I've seen the websites)
EvE has some botting activities (From experience in Hisec, and some LoLmails since. Like the Nyx killmail that had nothing but Rats killing it [AAA Citizens, I believe])
Some RMT and Some Botting are probably connected.

Now it's your turn to, logically and with evidence to back up each step, show that your 10 specific assertions are true, or retract them.

Then Link the google search you used. Seriously.

The person making the positive argument has the burden to prove that argument to some standard. The person taking the negative position is free to sit on their hands until the person making the positive argument meets that standard. That's how it works EVERYWHERE.

None of those had any context of substance pruned.

They're a pretty decent reflection of what you said. And as per usual, Tippia took you apart like Ali v Foreman.

Probably. In particular, it can be made to look like a pointer to show the context of my answer.

By the way, you do understand that the only way for you to GÇ£winGÇ¥ was to never post, right? If you retracted your claim, I got what I wanted; if you provided the proof, I got what I wanted; if you just kept posting, you'd expose yourself as a troll (which isn't exactly what I wanted, but it would be the opposite of a GÇ£winGÇ¥ for you).

And that is why you lost before you ever started. This feeling of yours ensures that you will never be able to make any kind of useful claim and will let people (rightly) dismiss your assertions out of hand. It would serve you well in the future to shed this feeling because it will never help you.

From your posts, you do not debate at all. Debate involves evidence and reasoned conclusions based on that evidence. You seem to be confusing semi-coherent yelling with debate. Had you at any point provided evidence to back your claims, you would have forced Tippia and I to take some sort of stand (possibly in agreement with you). But you didn't, so we didn't.

If you took the time to read the part you quoted, you would have noticed that you pretty much completely reversed the truth here.


.....Combined with far to much manipulation to Pyramid quote...

..............

These claims of yours are what we disagree with. Not the pretty obvious fact that RMT exists in EVE, or that botting exists in EVE. Furthermore, several people have pointed out for you that your "debating" technique seemingly relies on the premise that the person "shouting" loudest will win, and personally I find that disgusting.

Proven wrong over the fact that "There are RMT sites that I can find on google" does not equal "DRF space is botting and RMT central"

Yes. He has been proven wrong in that this is not a valid argument.

Making statements that you know to be false "in the hopes to find some common ground" is kind of silly.

evidence to support your detailed claims about who does what where under the auspices of whom.

They're not incomplete GÇö they're unfounded and unproven. From a truth perspective, that makes them false by default.

Nope. You made the claim; the burden of proof is yours. You fail to live up to it, making your claim false by default.

Let me Underline The Important Parts For You
Ya know... since you consistently rewrite history, manipulate and take things out of context...



Your version of the truth is not by default, everyone else's truth. This is also something that alludes narcissistic, debate team champions, such as yourself. Your ability to manipulate terms is nicely developed, no doubt over years of practice, but that ability can only make you an aspiring politician or a lawyer, and less of an aspiring scientist or a philosopher. Assuming that even matters to you, since you seem to put such a high value on "winning".


If I say that a public domain possesses easy and readily available information on the subject, and in great multitude, then that is my stance. Your insistence to provide google searches and links for the readier, is in fact, directly contradictory to my stance. You and Mr Red Legion guy have chosen to use that perspective as fodder for more then 3 pages, like some idiot politician running a smear campaign because they have nothing truly of substance to offer.


I CANNOT possibly ACCURATELY represent, on these gaming forums, the ORGY of information that would suddenly appear to the reader if they bothered to type a short string of words into google, it is FAR TO VAST and you know that. Thus, your tireless baiting of me, and I am not biting, nor will I be swayed or manipulated by such transparent and weak drivel.. My proof exists in full, beyond this gaming venue and it is 100% Contingent on it's state of easy accessibility to everyone who desires to seek it out.



1. Information: is public, readily available and easy to find.
2. Location:internet browser
3. Key words: "RMT MMO's" "Bots MMORPG's" "RMT and Botting MMO's" or any other combination.
4. Potential reading material: consists of literally millions of pages of text, all with remarkably similar information. proving that RMT and Botting are now commonplace in ALL Major MMO's



That is legit, regardless of how much you complain, and regardless of your ill need to get the last word in on a video game forum. My stance is rational, sensible and overloaded with evidence readily available to all. The reader has direction, guidance and a commentary on what they are expected to see. After they then do so, THEY can decide, not you. Them making their own choice, and me not telling them what to think (like you do so often) is the heart and soul of my stance, it's length and breadth and my proof is contingent on the readier's decision making process after the fact.

All that you are doing is baiting me with your imagined version of the truth, in the hopes of developing more poop to fling at me. It is not working, and with each passing page your truest nature is beginning to reveal itself. I am happy to take part, although I suspect that most of the people here already knew what you were about anyway.


I am also happy to keep throwing facts in your face...
Ya know, instead of just bending over to your imagined realities like everyone else does.

Yes. That's how all of this started. If you made it in error, now (or, more accurately, 10 pages ago) would be a good time to say so.
No, that is a different and completely irrelevant claim that no-one has ever questioned.

Yes, it is. You are the weakest link.

You don't have to, but that doesn't particularly change the change the fact that finding common ground between some point of view and something we can only assume is falsehood (since you've not been able to provide any proof to the contrary) is still quite silly.

It rather questions the value of the effort to do so to begin with, and without your justification, it seems quite pointless.

I think you should quote the part where I submitted evidence /statements regarding detailed claims about who does what where under the auspices of whom. Because a statement like "Drone space is botting central" most certainly does not fall under that category, and at this point you have deviated so far from reality that I have no idea what you are talking about.

I think you should quote the part where I submitted evidence /statements regarding detailed claims about who does what where under the auspices of whom. Because a statement like "Drone space is botting central" most certainly does not fall under that category, and at this point you have deviated so far from reality that I have no idea what you are talking about.

Then keep reading. I can't quote every post you used to build your unsupported case because the forum software doesn't allow for that amount of quotes.

I think you should quote the part where I submitted evidence /statements regarding detailed claims about who does what where under the auspices of whom. ..........

The fact that your claims weren't detailed is the reason this ****** thread is as long as it is.

You insinuated that ROL is botting central. You failed to support these allegations.

/thread

No, because (again), you never submitted any such evidence GÇö that's the whole problem.

Your insistence to provide google searches and links for the readier That is not my insistence. That is your insistence, which, by the way, has nothing to do with the question at hand. My insistence is that you provide evidence to support your detailed claims about who does what where under the auspices of whom.?

I didn't want to read all 20 pages of this thread but it looks like it contains some gold.

and Eternum yelling... something.

If I say that a public domain possesses easy and readily available information on the subject, and in great multitude, then that is my stance. Your insistence to provide google searches and links for the readier, is in fact, directly contradictory to my stance. You and Mr Red Legion guy have chosen to use that perspective as fodder for more then 3 pages, like some idiot politician running a smear campaign because they have nothing truly of substance to offer.


I CANNOT possibly ACCURATELY represent, on these gaming forums, the ORGY of information that would suddenly appear to the reader if they bothered to type a short string of words into google, it is FAR TO VAST and you know that. Thus, your tireless baiting of me, and I am not biting, nor will I be swayed or manipulated by such transparent and weak drivel.. My proof exists in full, beyond this gaming venue and it is 100% Contingent on it's state of easy accessibility to everyone who desires to seek it out.



1. Information: is public, readily available and easy to find.
2. Location:internet browser
3. Key words: "RMT MMO's" "Bots MMORPG's" "RMT and Botting MMO's" or any other combination.
4. Potential reading material: consists of literally millions of pages of text, all with remarkably similar information. proving that RMT and Botting are now commonplace in ALL Major MMO's

Once could, but there is no evidence for it.
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Hey, when you don't have much time to log in to Tranquility, it's the only PvP you can get.

As for trying to prove a negative, in the absence of any evidence to back up your positive claim, my asking for evidence is sufficient to refute the claim until evidence is provided, me actually giving testimonial evidence "I don't see any" is unnecessary overkill.

If I say that a public domain possesses easy and readily available information on the subject, and in great multitude, then that is my stance. Your insistence to provide google searches and links for the readier, is in fact, directly contradictory to my stance. You and Mr Red Legion guy have chosen to use that perspective as fodder for more then 3 pages, like some idiot politician running a smear campaign because they have nothing truly of substance to offer.


I CANNOT possibly ACCURATELY represent, on these gaming forums, the ORGY of information that would suddenly appear to the reader if they bothered to type a short string of words into google, it is FAR TO VAST and you know that. Thus, your tireless baiting of me, and I am not biting, nor will I be swayed or manipulated by such transparent and weak drivel.. My proof exists in full, beyond this gaming venue and it is 100% Contingent on it's state of easy accessibility to everyone who desires to seek it out.



1. Information: is public, readily available and easy to find.
2. Location:internet browser
3. Key words: "RMT MMO's" "Bots MMORPG's" "RMT and Botting MMO's" or any other combination.
4. Potential reading material: consists of literally millions of pages of text, all with remarkably similar information. proving that RMT and Botting are now commonplace in ALL Major MMO's

Tippa is a mad panda

most of the stuff in the nex store is declasse

What? You can actually make out a such a small difference in likes?
That's fewer than I got on just the first page of this threadGǪ

It's quite apparent that Gǣface rollingGǥ does not mean what you think it means, if that's the way you use itGǪ

By the way, are you ever going to provide any evidence to support your detailed claim about who does what where and under the auspices of whom?

That would be false advertising, not to mention using my likeness without my permission, so no, you probably couldn't.

You do realise that you didn't actually caught me manipulating anything (for the simple reason that I never did), right?

Oh, and: are you ever going to provide any evidence to support your detailed claim about who does what where and under the auspices of whom?

Oh, and: are you ever going to provide any evidence to support your detailed claim about who does what where and under the auspices of whom?

First of all, would you mind deciding on what question you want answered and stop changing it all the time? This is a third, different variant on a similar theme GÇö each time you change it, you alter what you're asking for.

The quotes for you making claims about who does what where and under the auspices of whom have already been posted.

The quotes for you having evidence of it do not exist GÇö that is the whole problem

So, now that I've answered that question in full GǪ for the fortyeleventh time (and I have even provided links and references) would you mind providing some evidence to support your detailed claim about who does what where and under the auspices of whom?

And again, my SIMPLE stance... undiluted and in plain text for all to see.

nd here I though it wasn't about winning or losing, but about the truth. Why are you so afraid of discovering the truth?

Ah, so that's why you're doing it GÇö to test if I will let you or not.
Yes. A few pages back. Or wellGǪ you didn't miss it GÇö you read them and did your little GÇ¥moving the goal postsGÇ¥ trick and changed the question that they were supposed to answer and then declared that they didn't answer the new question you invented (which was quite different from the one first asked them to answer and which they did answer).

Prove it.
Also: about what?
I don't have to prove you wrong until you've proved yourself right. You made the claim; the burden of proof is on you.

where do i have to slip, newbie corp alt, exactly?

spell it out please i'm confused

Well, you see, you made a very silly error: you made a claim when you shouldn't have, and I took advantage of it.

I think you should quote the part where I submitted evidence /statements regarding detailed claims about who does what where under the auspices of whom. Because a statement like "Drone space is botting central" most certainly does not fall under that category, and at this point you have deviated so far from reality that I have no idea what you are talking about

What facts have you presented? You have presented claims which, without evidence, are worthless in debate.

You made a claim, and while I was certainly under no obligation to, I provided the only piece of on point evidence that's come into play in 17 pages. It happens to refute your claim. If you wish to attack that evidence, you may do so by presenting contradictory evidence. Nothing else.

And no, I do not as yet have a counter argument (nor do I need one), as I do not as yet have an argument facing me that needs countering. I simply offered a piece of testimonial evidence that happens to contradict your claim.

]If I say that a public domain possesses easy and readily available information on the subject, and in great multitude, then that is my stance. Your insistence to provide google searches and links for the readier, is in fact, directly contradictory to my stance. You and Mr Red Legion guy have chosen to use that perspective as fodder for more then 3 pages, like some idiot politician running a smear campaign because they have nothing truly of substance to offer.


I CANNOT possibly ACCURATELY represent, on these gaming forums, the ORGY of information that would suddenly appear to the reader if they bothered to type a short string of words into google, it is FAR TO VAST and you know that. Thus, your tireless baiting of me, and I am not biting, nor will I be swayed or manipulated by such transparent and weak drivel.. My proof exists in full, beyond this gaming venue and it is 100% Contingent on it's state of easy accessibility to everyone who desires to seek it out.



1. Information: is public, readily available and easy to find.
2. Location:internet browser
3. Key words: "RMT MMO's" "Bots MMORPG's" "RMT and Botting MMO's" or any other combination.
4. Potential reading material: consists of literally millions of pages of text, all with remarkably similar information. proving that RMT and Botting are now commonplace in ALL Major MMO's

GǪaside from you making assertions that you couldn't prove.

Well wait ladies and gentleman looks like challengers have entered the ring to overthrow Ruby's victory. Action will continue once BBCode has be properly parsed.

The same as they've always been.

Was that so hard?

You still must provide evidence for those claims that you want us to refute (namely 4-7), you still call me either unobservant or stupid, and you haven't apologized for the baseless personal attacks that 1-3 represent.

As to 8 and 9, Common Acceptance is not evidence, it is a commission of the fallacy Argumentum ad Populum (many believe, therefore it is true).

Finally, on 10, while RED.L is the english speaking wing of RA, RA is not part of the DRF. It is a part of the Eastern Russian Federation. It would in fact be ineligible for inclusion in the DRF since it primarily operates in Angel Space. But congrats for (kind of) making an argument there.

So? Your supposed topic was never in question.

GǪyou made the claims GÇö you know, back on page 8. There was no GÇ£skillful manipulation of wordingGÇ¥; it was you saying things you could not back up with evidence. The inept manipulation of wording is what you were doing on pages 20-21 in a classic move-the-goal-posts fallacy in your failed attempt to deflect from the facts presented to you, showing that you did indeed make the claims in question.

What can I say. When it takes three days and almost 20 pages of forum posts to get someone to successfully deal with some ill-advised claims he made, I get a little bit riled..

"RubyPorto, no one can help you if your hiding under a rock out there."
"Meaning that if you have not seen said things for yourself by now, then you must be living under a rock out there."

That sure looks like a personal attack to me.

Nope, 8 and 9 pertain directly to the assertion that the DRF is botting central, an idea upon which you have softened your position, but you still hold onto it, and thus must defend it.

Here we go again. You're right, it is in black and white. The 10 claims you forwarded were the specifically articulated who (players in the DRF) does what (botting/RMT), where (Drone Regions), under the auspices of who (DRF leadership).

Lots more stuff

You have yet to provide evidence that says that Botting/RMT still occurs there. Unless Tippia or I stipulate that botting/RMT occurs in any specific locale in EVE (I've already stipulated that it occurs somewhere in EvE), the burden falls upon you to provide evidence.

Hey hey hey, if you have witnessed something, that is evidence. Can you tell us who you witnessed doing what where? Cause that would be interesting evidence to support your claims.

Each of your 2 posts quoted contained multiple claims.
If I were to say "I am rich, handsome, and awesome," would that be just one claim, or a compound sentence containing 3 separate claims? Since each can have a different truth value, that sentence contains 3 claims. For the purposes of discussion, it is often helpful to separate those claims into a list so that we avoid becoming confused. That is all I did for your claims.

GǪexcept that, by the time I started commenting, the question had already been created by others and the discussion your education had already been given its direction by others. My interest, then as now, lies in explaining to you why you didn't have any support for your claims. That was pretty much parallel to the direction it was already going.

Of course, you wanted the whole thing to go in a different direction, but that direction wasn't really in question GÇö the issue was your overreaching use of generalisations. That was the direction the whole thing was already heading.

Specifically where in my post did I go wrong? Please, I want to learn from the master.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=738324#post738324

"RubyPorto, no one can help you if your hiding under a rock out there."
"Meaning that if you have not seen said things for yourself by now, then you must be living under a rock out there."

*Claims below:
1) I personally have or should have specific knowledge of Botting in RED.L Space
2) I personally have or should have specific knowledge of RMT in RED.L Space
3) I personally have or should have specific knowledge that RED.L tolerates botting/RMT

(Relocated from GD.)

Threadnaught cleanup complete; all explosive content removed and disposed of. Proceeding to the CCL rehab facility for a well-deserved soak in a hot tub.